Comments on: Twins Notes: Thome, Morneau, Mijares, Gibson, Revere, and Wimmers

By: Brooklynegg

Brooklynegg — Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:13:39 +0000

@theOW: You are correct. In his first appearance as a Twin, Capps fastballs had excellent movement. Now, they are fast, but dead straight. He now reminds me of LaTroy Hawkins. A lot.

By: Arnold4321

Arnold4321 — Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:51:48 +0000

You’re assuming, of course, that the economy of MLB is net-zero, in other words, everything transaction is 100% fair and equal. No, there’s a such thing as a fleecing in baseball trades. So AJ Pierzinski is “worth” Liriano and Nathan? Think that one out. Your reasoning actually makes sense: the Twins wanted a reliever, they had no use for Ramos, and they wanted to get the best reliever possible. What happened was they vastly overrated that reliever. Probably they looked at 1 statistic (saves) and thought, gee, this guy’s brilliant! Yeah, he’s worth Ramos and another guy.

Just because a team CAN make a move, doesn’t mean it’s a naturally a fair deal, and certainly doesn’t mean they should automatically do it.

By: jioe

jioe — Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:44:38 +0000

no, it just requires some thought…so hold on.

The only real value a player has in a trade is what another team will “pay” for him, same as in a real world economic system. The Twins wanted a reliever, used their best chip that they could live without (Ramos) to get the best reliever they could find. That is what they got. And if you are of the belief that the Twins didnt kick the tires on as many better relievers and just went after Capps, you are not living in reality. Hell they even had to toss in Testa. Fact of the matter is, no one values Ramos as much as Twins fans, but that is not what matters.

By: Gendo

Gendo — Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:38:24 +0000

That is outstanding circular logic.

By: jioe

jioe — Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:33:36 +0000

The fact that the Twins could only get Matt Capps for Ramos tells you all you need to know about how “highly regarded” Ramos was.

By: Arnold4321

Arnold4321 — Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:08:01 +0000

Probably not but I don’t know any other good catching prospects. But they are both highly regarded (well, except by the Twins). Anyway the point is, who in the world trades one of the top 2-3 prospects in their entire organization for a ho-hum reliever?

By: mini_tb

mini_tb — Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:39:15 +0000

I’m not defending the Ramos/Capps trade or anything, but Wilson Ramos isn’t nearly the caliber of prospect that Jesus Montero is.

By: Arnold4321

Arnold4321 — Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:00:54 +0000

The deal is, Capps is not very good. I haven’t seen any moving and cutting since he arrived. Basically, he’s Jesse Crain before Crain learned how to throw off speed, or Matt Guerrier. Can you imagine the Twins going to, say, the Yanks and saying: We’ll give you Guerrier for Jesus Montero? What a joke. Time will tell, but this maybe one of the most lopsided trades in years.

By: theOW

theOW — Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:41:53 +0000

What is the deal with the straight – no movement fastballs fired by Capps the last 2-3 outings?
When he first pitched for us, they were 96mph and moving and cutting. The last 2 nights = straight as an arrow. Hitters are simply going to tee off on him.
Gappers and Home Runs will become the norm rather than the exceptions.

By: mike wants wins

mike wants wins — Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:27:53 +0000

The rubes comparing Capps to Nathan are cracking me up…..