Comments on: Twins complete Fuentes trade by sending Van Mil to Angels http://aarongleeman.com/2010/09/02/twins-complete-fuentes-trade-by-sending-van-mil-to-angels/ Baseball news, insight and analysis from Aaron Gleeman Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:50:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.1 By: Dood http://aarongleeman.com/2010/09/02/twins-complete-fuentes-trade-by-sending-van-mil-to-angels/comment-page-1/#comment-2239 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:58:31 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=19919#comment-2239 4 straight healthy years of posting positive OPS+ = Gaping hole. Everybody knows that.

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By: jama http://aarongleeman.com/2010/09/02/twins-complete-fuentes-trade-by-sending-van-mil-to-angels/comment-page-1/#comment-2237 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:42:09 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=19919#comment-2237 What are the gaping holes in RF and CF? I understand that Cuddyer is overpaid and Span has had a rough year, but gaping holes?

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By: imissaj http://aarongleeman.com/2010/09/02/twins-complete-fuentes-trade-by-sending-van-mil-to-angels/comment-page-1/#comment-2236 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:57:01 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=19919#comment-2236 “Fungible” is an underused word for a certain category of relief pitcher/(f)utility infielder (I’m not naming any names)/backu[p outfielder.

Well played, Gleeman.

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By: mike wants wins http://aarongleeman.com/2010/09/02/twins-complete-fuentes-trade-by-sending-van-mil-to-angels/comment-page-1/#comment-2235 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:59:54 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=19919#comment-2235 well, it seems like a bad use of resources to pay two relievers more than $10MM, while also giving Crain a raise. They have gaping holes at SS, RF (and maybe CF) and SP (assuming they don’t sign Pavano, and maybe even if they do).

Spending more than $10MM on two relievers does not seem like a good allocation of resources.

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By: corybante http://aarongleeman.com/2010/09/02/twins-complete-fuentes-trade-by-sending-van-mil-to-angels/comment-page-1/#comment-2234 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:38:53 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=19919#comment-2234 Aaron, I just re-read your analysis of the trade and it sounds like Fuentes might well be worth 10 mil. Are you saying the team can’t afford him?

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By: dirleton http://aarongleeman.com/2010/09/02/twins-complete-fuentes-trade-by-sending-van-mil-to-angels/comment-page-1/#comment-2232 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:09:14 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=19919#comment-2232 Mojo gone South:

Nathan
Morneau

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By: JB (the original) http://aarongleeman.com/2010/09/02/twins-complete-fuentes-trade-by-sending-van-mil-to-angels/comment-page-1/#comment-2231 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:31:29 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=19919#comment-2231 The Fuentes thing is going to be hairy and probably right down to the wire on offering arbitration. Now, I know and agree that overpaying for a “closer” is not the smartest way to spend your money, but, we are in Gardy-World. Obviously, Gardy (and Mr. Smith) weren’t thrilled with the Rauch experiment, leading to the Capps patch. And who knows, maybe Ramos doesn’t pan out with the Nats and that trade becomes a mediocre C for a set-up guy (again, I’m not sure what they were thinking there either, but what’s done is done). Now, last I read, Nathan is just starting to play catch. Do you think the Twins are comfortable hanging their hat on him being ready to close in 6 months? And if they aren’t thrilled with Rauch (or Capps)now, I don’t think they’ll want to rely on them to hold the line for April, May, or however (if ever) long it takes for Nathan gets his mojo back. So, barring insurance, the Twins are on the hook for $11.25M for next year, and the $2M buyout for 2012 for Nathan–unless he retires. What’s that arbitration decision date again…?

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By: Sinking Liner http://aarongleeman.com/2010/09/02/twins-complete-fuentes-trade-by-sending-van-mil-to-angels/comment-page-1/#comment-2230 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:47:46 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=19919#comment-2230 Is texting and smartphones ruining our ability to communicate?

Yes, they is.

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By: Son of Shane Mack http://aarongleeman.com/2010/09/02/twins-complete-fuentes-trade-by-sending-van-mil-to-angels/comment-page-1/#comment-2226 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 08:06:41 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=19919#comment-2226 And I didn’t mean to be insulting about the previous message. I just prefer people to write in fairly complete – or mostly complete – sentences. It makes comprehension easier.

Is texting and smartphones ruining our ability to communicate?

*sigh*

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By: Son of Shane Mack http://aarongleeman.com/2010/09/02/twins-complete-fuentes-trade-by-sending-van-mil-to-angels/comment-page-1/#comment-2225 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 08:04:33 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=19919#comment-2225 Van Mil had no future in the twins system…and to 95% has in no mlb-pro.system…he did not even pitch in AAA …will do so maybe for 2 years…is then in the deep end of his 20’s…and still will not pitch pro..i think..

Ok. I’m not sure what “and to 95% has in no mlb-pro.system” means. That’s not a sentence or even a run-on.

Still, as you – and Aaron – said, he’s 26 and hasn’t even gotten to AAA or even been able to make it through a season.

Regardless, it’s quite likely that the Twins would have lost him at some point in the next few months – either through waivers or the Rule V draft. Despite his age and issues, there are teams out there with room on their rosters (40 man – that is) for some unproven talent with some potential.

It’s possible that Van Mil will continue to be plagued by injuries and not make an impact, let along make it to the big leagues. It’s also possible that at some point (likely in the next 2 years) that he’ll break through and prove to be an effective pitcher somewhere. However, because of his history and the Twins roster situation, that was unlikely to happen here.

So, why not name the guy you’re going to lose anyway as the PTMNL? The Angels dump some salary and get a guy with potential talent, the Twins get the left-handed reliever they need, and Van Mil goes to a place where might get a shot at moving up in the system. It’s a win, all around. Great move.

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