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	<title>Comments on: Jason Kubel leaves Twins for two-year, $15 million deal with Diamondbacks</title>
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		<title>By: doofus</title>
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		<dc:creator>doofus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 04:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Twins will trade for Brett Myers.  Especially if they can get the astros to pay half his salary. The Twins will sign either Luke Scott or Johnny Gomes to complete the OF.  As for the bullpen there are tons of options available.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Twins will trade for Brett Myers.  Especially if they can get the astros to pay half his salary. The Twins will sign either Luke Scott or Johnny Gomes to complete the OF.  As for the bullpen there are tons of options available.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 23:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I saw that tidbit about Oswalt I thought the same, but from what I&#039;m reading the speculation is that he&#039;ll still want 10+ million for that one year. You also gotta think, now that he&#039;s lowered his demand to a one-year deal that teams like the Yankees and others will be more interested and obviously the Twins won&#039;t win in that scenario.

Also, last year when the rumors were swirling over who the Astros would trade him to, wasn&#039;t there something about him not wanting to come to Minnesota? A clause in his contract preventing it maybe?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I saw that tidbit about Oswalt I thought the same, but from what I&#8217;m reading the speculation is that he&#8217;ll still want 10+ million for that one year. You also gotta think, now that he&#8217;s lowered his demand to a one-year deal that teams like the Yankees and others will be more interested and obviously the Twins won&#8217;t win in that scenario.</p>
<p>Also, last year when the rumors were swirling over who the Astros would trade him to, wasn&#8217;t there something about him not wanting to come to Minnesota? A clause in his contract preventing it maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With Oswalt lowering his asking price and about $7 million left before they get to $100 million, is there any chance the Twins go after Oswalt, who is now reported to be seeking only a 1 year deal? Apparently he wants to prove his health so that he can get more money out on the market. And he should come cheap enough to where the Twins could still add a couple of moderately priced bullpen arms (thinking $1 or $2 million deals, Rauch/WHeeler/Hawkins types). It would be great to have another veteran presence in our rotation, and one that wasn&#039;t quite as reliant on our defense as Pavano. If the Twins are terrible they can trade him through the season, if they are contending he is a potentially critical piece as a low-end number 1, and if he is hurt ideally they could recover some of the salary through either an insurance policy or an incentive-laden deal. Thoughts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Oswalt lowering his asking price and about $7 million left before they get to $100 million, is there any chance the Twins go after Oswalt, who is now reported to be seeking only a 1 year deal? Apparently he wants to prove his health so that he can get more money out on the market. And he should come cheap enough to where the Twins could still add a couple of moderately priced bullpen arms (thinking $1 or $2 million deals, Rauch/WHeeler/Hawkins types). It would be great to have another veteran presence in our rotation, and one that wasn&#8217;t quite as reliant on our defense as Pavano. If the Twins are terrible they can trade him through the season, if they are contending he is a potentially critical piece as a low-end number 1, and if he is hurt ideally they could recover some of the salary through either an insurance policy or an incentive-laden deal. Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: BR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the price AZ paid, Kubel&#039;s a solid buy.  He&#039;d be better as a LF/DH type in the AL, but you can hide one or two mediocre gloves.  He was off to a great start last year, which reinforced my sense that he has one or two more very good years akin to &#039;09 left in his bat.  We might not have seen his best; it will be a bit of a bummer if/when he puts up a fully healthy 900+ OPS season in a non-Twins uni.  (And I still don&#039;t like Revere as an everyday starter.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the price AZ paid, Kubel&#8217;s a solid buy.  He&#8217;d be better as a LF/DH type in the AL, but you can hide one or two mediocre gloves.  He was off to a great start last year, which reinforced my sense that he has one or two more very good years akin to &#8217;09 left in his bat.  We might not have seen his best; it will be a bit of a bummer if/when he puts up a fully healthy 900+ OPS season in a non-Twins uni.  (And I still don&#8217;t like Revere as an everyday starter.)</p>
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		<title>By: chris_5103</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris_5103</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Cuddy and Kubs for the memories.  Kubs, your GS for the cycle at the Dome was epic.  Gleeman is correct, the best direction for the Twins at this time was to let them move on.  In retrospect, they should have moved a TON of players last year before the deadline.  Woulda, coulda, shoulda.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Cuddy and Kubs for the memories.  Kubs, your GS for the cycle at the Dome was epic.  Gleeman is correct, the best direction for the Twins at this time was to let them move on.  In retrospect, they should have moved a TON of players last year before the deadline.  Woulda, coulda, shoulda.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t complain about any of the moves Terry Ryan has made this offseason.  Clearly this isn&#039;t an &quot;all in&quot; season and meanwhile we have reduced payroll (hopefully providing some flexibility for future seasons)and will field a respectable club.  I am curious to read about the starters and relievers we will target.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t complain about any of the moves Terry Ryan has made this offseason.  Clearly this isn&#8217;t an &#8220;all in&#8221; season and meanwhile we have reduced payroll (hopefully providing some flexibility for future seasons)and will field a respectable club.  I am curious to read about the starters and relievers we will target.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand Aaron&#039;s [and others] reasoning and I can live with it, provided the Twins use the money they saved with Kubel [and Cuddyer] and acquire a quality [not superstar] starter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand Aaron&#8217;s [and others] reasoning and I can live with it, provided the Twins use the money they saved with Kubel [and Cuddyer] and acquire a quality [not superstar] starter.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree on Kubel (and on Cuddyer).  I think the fact that you can&#039;t trade draft picks in MLB affects how people evaluate these types of deals.  If ever there were a deal we could send an aging (but decently productive) outfielder to another team for one or two 1st or 2nd round draft picks, most fans would understand that and support it.  Well, that&#039;s basically what we did, and in the case of Cuddyer, we got the draft picks, saved a little money, and more or less offset the loss of the bat by signing Willingham.  

The fact is that draft picks ARE valuable commodities in baseball, but fans don&#039;t realize it because (a) They aren&#039;t traded, so their value isn&#039;t as discussed/understood; (b) Their value may not be realized for several years while the player makes his way through the minors; (c) The draft has several dozen rounds (which makes it appear more random, though the TOP prospects still have a pretty good chance of becoming MLB players of some type).  

Still, I understand the frustration at some fans over losing these players, and you can&#039;t really say that they&#039;re &quot;wrong&quot; just because Cuddy and Kubel became overpriced and there was more to gain by letting them go.  I think part of the fans&#039; emotional reaction stems from the fact that Kubel was once a celebrated prospect and despite a few good years, he and the Twins never fully realized the promise that we hoped for when he was just a young player flailing away at pitches in the 2004 ALDS.  It&#039;s an empty feeling to see these guys leave for nothing when you know the team has little chance of actually improving next year, even if they&#039;ll probably do better than 99 losses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree on Kubel (and on Cuddyer).  I think the fact that you can&#8217;t trade draft picks in MLB affects how people evaluate these types of deals.  If ever there were a deal we could send an aging (but decently productive) outfielder to another team for one or two 1st or 2nd round draft picks, most fans would understand that and support it.  Well, that&#8217;s basically what we did, and in the case of Cuddyer, we got the draft picks, saved a little money, and more or less offset the loss of the bat by signing Willingham.  </p>
<p>The fact is that draft picks ARE valuable commodities in baseball, but fans don&#8217;t realize it because (a) They aren&#8217;t traded, so their value isn&#8217;t as discussed/understood; (b) Their value may not be realized for several years while the player makes his way through the minors; (c) The draft has several dozen rounds (which makes it appear more random, though the TOP prospects still have a pretty good chance of becoming MLB players of some type).  </p>
<p>Still, I understand the frustration at some fans over losing these players, and you can&#8217;t really say that they&#8217;re &#8220;wrong&#8221; just because Cuddy and Kubel became overpriced and there was more to gain by letting them go.  I think part of the fans&#8217; emotional reaction stems from the fact that Kubel was once a celebrated prospect and despite a few good years, he and the Twins never fully realized the promise that we hoped for when he was just a young player flailing away at pitches in the 2004 ALDS.  It&#8217;s an empty feeling to see these guys leave for nothing when you know the team has little chance of actually improving next year, even if they&#8217;ll probably do better than 99 losses.</p>
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		<title>By: christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Allways liked Kubel and especially Cuddyer...but these times are gone...and now we go on and get a good draft out there! Hope they also draft a great infielder and a new Torrii Hunter!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allways liked Kubel and especially Cuddyer&#8230;but these times are gone&#8230;and now we go on and get a good draft out there! Hope they also draft a great infielder and a new Torrii Hunter!</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro Munoz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pedro Munoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 06:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When the Twins signed Doumit, I thought Buterrible was being replaced.  What the hell happened?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the Twins signed Doumit, I thought Buterrible was being replaced.  What the hell happened?</p>
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