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	<title>Comments on: Twins spend $3 million to fill out the starting rotation with Jason Marquis</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not at all excited about Marquis, but neither am I slamming my mouse on the desk in anger.  This is the position the Twins are in, and unfortunately, the Carroll and Marquis-type signings are largely irrelevant to what this team does.  It doesn&#039;t really matter to me that the Twins spend $100 million as opposed to $103 million when the guys they sign are no better than replacement value options.

The only reason people aren&#039;t more angry is because they&#039;re so down on our pitching prospects.  Nobody really thinks that Liam Hendricks is going to step in and throw a sub 4.00 ERA, and this team has brought up a legitimate prospect who could miss bats since Liriano (acquired from another organization).  This is what happens when you spend year after year on draft picks trying not to fail (conservative pitch-to-contact college pitchers with low walk rates) instead of aiming high and drafting guys that have the potential to be aces.  It&#039;s unfortunate that the one time they DID do that (Gibson), he blew his arm out, so we&#039;re probably 12-18 months from any meaningful contribution by him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not at all excited about Marquis, but neither am I slamming my mouse on the desk in anger.  This is the position the Twins are in, and unfortunately, the Carroll and Marquis-type signings are largely irrelevant to what this team does.  It doesn&#8217;t really matter to me that the Twins spend $100 million as opposed to $103 million when the guys they sign are no better than replacement value options.</p>
<p>The only reason people aren&#8217;t more angry is because they&#8217;re so down on our pitching prospects.  Nobody really thinks that Liam Hendricks is going to step in and throw a sub 4.00 ERA, and this team has brought up a legitimate prospect who could miss bats since Liriano (acquired from another organization).  This is what happens when you spend year after year on draft picks trying not to fail (conservative pitch-to-contact college pitchers with low walk rates) instead of aiming high and drafting guys that have the potential to be aces.  It&#8217;s unfortunate that the one time they DID do that (Gibson), he blew his arm out, so we&#8217;re probably 12-18 months from any meaningful contribution by him.</p>
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		<title>By: mike wants wins</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike wants wins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 00:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brick, didn&#039;t they sign draft picks and foreign free agents in previous years? Don&#039;t buy your argument....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brick, didn&#8217;t they sign draft picks and foreign free agents in previous years? Don&#8217;t buy your argument&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 22:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another pitcher who will be crushed by the terrible defense? The Twins are speeding toward a 110 loss season.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another pitcher who will be crushed by the terrible defense? The Twins are speeding toward a 110 loss season.</p>
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		<title>By: Brick Baseball House</title>
		<link>http://aarongleeman.com/2011/12/26/twins-spend-3-million-to-fill-out-rotation-with-jason-marquis/comment-page-1/#comment-9508</link>
		<dc:creator>Brick Baseball House</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t you have to factor in Nathan&#039;s buyout and the money the Twins will spend to slot draft picks into payroll? It&#039;s a cut but not a $15 M cut.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you have to factor in Nathan&#8217;s buyout and the money the Twins will spend to slot draft picks into payroll? It&#8217;s a cut but not a $15 M cut.</p>
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		<title>By: ML</title>
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		<dc:creator>ML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Noel...see above posts by bobojo and MC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noel&#8230;see above posts by bobojo and MC.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Duensing to the pen is the correct move?    Just wait.    Either marquis or Liriano will start out terribly, get moved to the pen, and Brian D. will come in and do a great job.    Then everyone will be askin - why&#039;d we move him to the pen in the first place?
Just watch.    3M for Marquis isn&#039;t that bad a price, but come on already.    The Twins are making more $&#039;s off the stadium(even in such a terrible season as last yr.) I just don&#039;t understand why they don&#039;t wanna put the best team out on the field instead of stickin the $&#039;s in the bank.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duensing to the pen is the correct move?    Just wait.    Either marquis or Liriano will start out terribly, get moved to the pen, and Brian D. will come in and do a great job.    Then everyone will be askin &#8211; why&#8217;d we move him to the pen in the first place?<br />
Just watch.    3M for Marquis isn&#8217;t that bad a price, but come on already.    The Twins are making more $&#8217;s off the stadium(even in such a terrible season as last yr.) I just don&#8217;t understand why they don&#8217;t wanna put the best team out on the field instead of stickin the $&#8217;s in the bank.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[aren&#039;t we forgetting about moustaches? with Marquis and Pavano, we&#039;re going to have the best moustaches in the AL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aren&#8217;t we forgetting about moustaches? with Marquis and Pavano, we&#8217;re going to have the best moustaches in the AL.</p>
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		<title>By: mike wants wins</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike wants wins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aaron, better to start Manship or Swarzak, and sign a couple of bullpen arms, or to sign Marquis? Slowey was gone from day one. The question was how to spend that $3MM. Given that their starters can&#039;t make it out of the 6th inning, a bullpen seems more important to this team than another mediocre starter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, better to start Manship or Swarzak, and sign a couple of bullpen arms, or to sign Marquis? Slowey was gone from day one. The question was how to spend that $3MM. Given that their starters can&#8217;t make it out of the 6th inning, a bullpen seems more important to this team than another mediocre starter.</p>
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		<title>By: BR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 15:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My immediate reaction was also to think, &quot;Keeping Slowey would have been better.&quot;  But that&#039;s a false choice.  It&#039;s rpetty clear that the Twins had determined that Slowey was no longer a prospect or a guy dependable enough to put in the rotation.  so he simply wasn&#039;t going to be an option.

I agree with others that the Twins are rebuilding, and, sorry to say, this is what a rebuild job for a mid-market team looks like.  They&#039;re not going to throw an extra $30M at a half dozen holes the way &quot;big market&quot; clubs (with big TV deals) do.  On the other hand, they won&#039;t simply go into ST like the Padres, Pirates or Royals with a bunch of AA players fighting for 10 roster spots.  

Instead, they&#039;ll go halfway, picking up cost-effective vets like Carroll, Doumit and Marquis.  They&#039;ll hope those guys slightly outperform their projections so that if all goes well, the team could dream about competing in a relatively weak division.  If not, maybe they can deal one or two of them at the deadline or when younger guys are ready to be promoted and pick up some useful parts for the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My immediate reaction was also to think, &#8220;Keeping Slowey would have been better.&#8221;  But that&#8217;s a false choice.  It&#8217;s rpetty clear that the Twins had determined that Slowey was no longer a prospect or a guy dependable enough to put in the rotation.  so he simply wasn&#8217;t going to be an option.</p>
<p>I agree with others that the Twins are rebuilding, and, sorry to say, this is what a rebuild job for a mid-market team looks like.  They&#8217;re not going to throw an extra $30M at a half dozen holes the way &#8220;big market&#8221; clubs (with big TV deals) do.  On the other hand, they won&#8217;t simply go into ST like the Padres, Pirates or Royals with a bunch of AA players fighting for 10 roster spots.  </p>
<p>Instead, they&#8217;ll go halfway, picking up cost-effective vets like Carroll, Doumit and Marquis.  They&#8217;ll hope those guys slightly outperform their projections so that if all goes well, the team could dream about competing in a relatively weak division.  If not, maybe they can deal one or two of them at the deadline or when younger guys are ready to be promoted and pick up some useful parts for the future.</p>
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		<title>By: senorsmoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>senorsmoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 05:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why isn&#039;t anyone talking about Rich Harden?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why isn&#8217;t anyone talking about Rich Harden?</p>
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