Comments on: Offseason outlook: Joe Mauer http://aarongleeman.com/2012/12/28/offseason-outlook-joe-mauer/ Baseball news, insight and analysis from Aaron Gleeman Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:08:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: rachel http://aarongleeman.com/2012/12/28/offseason-outlook-joe-mauer/comment-page-1/#comment-34165 Tue, 08 Jan 2013 21:01:13 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=84735#comment-34165 I didn’t comment on this the first time I read it, but did forward it to a few people and made the mental note to re-read it sometime in April or May. Saw it again in the Friday links and wanted to say thanks – great piece and some good insights as to who he is as a player. Sometimes our emotions can cloud those.

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By: MC http://aarongleeman.com/2012/12/28/offseason-outlook-joe-mauer/comment-page-1/#comment-34086 Sat, 05 Jan 2013 02:25:28 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=84735#comment-34086 I’d argue that if the Twins are getting anywhere near $23 million dollars in production, the Twins are getting lots of surplus value in the marketing department. It was an absolute must sign and they did what they had to do.

Now, the rest of the roster has not held together a competitive team so they’re scaling back payroll because they don’t believe they have a competitive team and because they haven’t for two years, the fans don’t so they’re spending to their anticipated payrolls. The challenge I have with that all is that they likely could get more wins if resources were spent wisely but I think they’re doing the right moves this off season with the exception of Coria. I’d have liked them to bring back Baker but I think they misjudged the market on pitchers. He’s clearly worth more than Pelfrey and if the idea is they want to be able to keep some of their talent, a one year premium for Baker would have been good will with the other players. To me it’s an opportunity lost to see what he had and whether they want him around for longer. I think Baker is a top 60 pitcher when healthy and the Twins don’t have a guy on the 40 man I think you can say would be a top 60 in 2013 or 2014.

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By: Drew http://aarongleeman.com/2012/12/28/offseason-outlook-joe-mauer/comment-page-1/#comment-33892 Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:08:24 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=84735#comment-33892 “The Twins are a team that needs to extract surplus value from players, not pay market-price for players, even if they are worth it.”

Which is why they need to hire Gandalf as their GM.

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By: ThePuck http://aarongleeman.com/2012/12/28/offseason-outlook-joe-mauer/comment-page-1/#comment-33871 Sun, 30 Dec 2012 06:10:26 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=84735#comment-33871 Of course, there are legitimate gripes with Mauer’s game, as there is with practically every player in the history of the game; however, instead of looking at the overall picture of his game, which this article does a great job of doing, some just want to focus on all the negative. They refuse to see the greatness in front of them. It’s sad for them.

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By: ThePuck http://aarongleeman.com/2012/12/28/offseason-outlook-joe-mauer/comment-page-1/#comment-33870 Sun, 30 Dec 2012 06:05:17 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=84735#comment-33870 Fantastic article! Great job as always. Of course, religious Mauer haters will discard the info and continue to slam Mauer, often in condescending ways as if they are the smartest people in the room, which they rarely, if ever, are.

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By: ewen21 http://aarongleeman.com/2012/12/28/offseason-outlook-joe-mauer/comment-page-1/#comment-33866 Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:33:30 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=84735#comment-33866 Nic Cage–thanks for that. You are correct, that particular flaw has always been present. Simple observation is enough for me to know this, but it’s my concern he is trending in the wrong direction in a number of categories when it comes to where he’s hitting batted balls. I’m hoping he’s actually doing some different kind of program for the offseason to get himself better prepared. It seems to me he could stand to be physically stronger. I think part of the problem with Mauer is that he’s not properly conditioned and that he doesn’t utilize the offseason well. As time goes by this will become more and more of an issue if it isn’t addressed. This is why I feel his longevity is very questionable and it’s also why I find it absurd to start having HOF discussions about him at this juncture.

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By: Sean http://aarongleeman.com/2012/12/28/offseason-outlook-joe-mauer/comment-page-1/#comment-33864 Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:23:51 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=84735#comment-33864 @ Josh: Miguel Cabrera and Albert Pujols, among others, have led the league in GIDP over the last couple of years. Mauer hits third. It comes with the territory.

I do think he should hit leadoff or second, however, and I think the fans would be more willing to accept his 10 homerun/year average if that was the case. Perhaps the problem with accepting Mauer for his talents starts with Twins management, not the Twins’ fan base.

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By: Nic Cage http://aarongleeman.com/2012/12/28/offseason-outlook-joe-mauer/comment-page-1/#comment-33856 Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:50:31 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=84735#comment-33856 @ewen21

Mauer’s Batted Balls, when Pulled:

LD/GB/FB

2012: 11.5/85.1/3.4
2010: 12.5/79.2/8.3
2009: 14.5/77.6/7.9
2006: 20.0/73.3/6.7 (his best year)
Career: 14.7/78.3/7.0

This isn’t exactly a new thing. The overwhelming majority of Mauer’s pulled balls have been on the ground. Sure, it spiked last season at 85.1, and that’s a number we’d all like to see come down, but that was based on 101 ABs. That’s when you’ve got to ask whether that’s a small-sample fluke, or a real indication of his skill. As of now, that question is inconclusive.

Anyway, the point of what I’m saying is that your only criticisms of Mauer aren’t anything new (lack of power, pulls a lot of balls on the ground), and are flaws that have (largely) always been present and (largely) always been overcome by him to be a great (if not elite) player.

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By: Josh http://aarongleeman.com/2012/12/28/offseason-outlook-joe-mauer/comment-page-1/#comment-33855 Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:40:16 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=84735#comment-33855 Yep, I think this pretty well encapsulates Mauer’s season and current prospects. A few small notes that I’d add: Mauer grounded into too many double plays again (23), which is really the only major hole in his out-avoidance. If he could increase his power production a bit next season (I’m looking at 2006 as a reasonable level) it would make a big difference.

Mauer’s value to the team is actually higher than Fan Graphs’s allocation, because he has greater value off the field to the Twins than any other team. Despite the ripping he gets from certain local media outlets (Dan Barreiro, are your ears burning?) and booing from a sector of fans early in the season, Mauer has a PR value to the team that is a significant bonus above his value on the field.

Joe’s an amazing player on a HoF trajectory for his career. I will enjoy watching him again this year.

One thing missing from this article that I’d love to see addressed: would the Twins (and perhaps even Mauer) be better off if he hit 2nd, rather than 3rd? He seems very well suited to the role, taking lots of pitches, ridiculous OBP, lower power and lack of another suitable candidate on the team.

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By: aweb http://aarongleeman.com/2012/12/28/offseason-outlook-joe-mauer/comment-page-1/#comment-33854 Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:24:18 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=84735#comment-33854 I’m surprised you are using CS% as a proxy for Mauer’s defensive contribution. I’m not sure how Mauer rates in other aspects, but you did note that fewer balls got by him. CS% is a small part of catcher defense, it just happens to be the one that has been available for 100 years. Mauer seemed to rank OK here: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=17623

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