Comments on: Twins Notes: Hicks, Butera, Gibson, Diamond, Benson, and 612 Brew http://aarongleeman.com/2013/03/25/twins-notes-hicks-gibson-diamond-deduno-benson-and-612-brew/ Baseball news, insight and analysis from Aaron Gleeman Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:08:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: Steve J http://aarongleeman.com/2013/03/25/twins-notes-hicks-gibson-diamond-deduno-benson-and-612-brew/comment-page-1/#comment-35277 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 02:34:46 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=94206#comment-35277 I’ve heard Aaron make the “extra year of control” argument a dozen times on the podcast, and it is technically correct. But it’s completely superseded by the point that if gets to be October 1, 2018 and Aaron Hicks hasn’t already been extended on a deal that covered some of his arbitration years and keeps him a Twin for 2019 and beyond, then (a) He probably wasn’t very good (we had similar “control” discussions about Delmon in 2008, then couldn’t get a rid of him fast enough); or (b) We already failed to sign him, and he’d probably be flipped as a rental by July 31, 2018 anyway.,/i>

True Jeff, but if they delay his clock for a year they can still do that, they just gain more leverage and time to figure out if he’s worth it.

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By: jfs http://aarongleeman.com/2013/03/25/twins-notes-hicks-gibson-diamond-deduno-benson-and-612-brew/comment-page-1/#comment-35275 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 23:03:53 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=94206#comment-35275 Aaron, your Mom’s “charming and handsome” assessment of Hicks probably means more to the front-office bean counters than any scout’s.

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By: Pedro Munoz http://aarongleeman.com/2013/03/25/twins-notes-hicks-gibson-diamond-deduno-benson-and-612-brew/comment-page-1/#comment-35274 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 22:17:58 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=94206#comment-35274 It seems pretty ridiculous to be worrying about Hicks’s status in 2018 or 2019. The guy could be out of baseball in 3 years for all we know.

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By: TR http://aarongleeman.com/2013/03/25/twins-notes-hicks-gibson-diamond-deduno-benson-and-612-brew/comment-page-1/#comment-35273 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 22:01:21 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=94206#comment-35273 Seems odd to worry about player control for 2018 or 2019… Isn’t a historical frustration with the Twins that they keep players in the minors too long? Hicks is 23 – he’s been in the system for 5 years! If he’s ready, let’s go. As a fan, the last thing I worry about is saving the Pohlad’s money in 5 years. I often get frustrated with Terry Ryan, but I’m 100% in agreement on his decision to bring Hicks north.

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By: erich http://aarongleeman.com/2013/03/25/twins-notes-hicks-gibson-diamond-deduno-benson-and-612-brew/comment-page-1/#comment-35271 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 20:46:20 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=94206#comment-35271 I agree with Aaron 95% of the time, but the service time criticism seems a little nit-picky. If he’s ready, he’s ready. It would be different if he was sitting on the bench, but the Twins are using him. All in all, good read as always.

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By: Dave T http://aarongleeman.com/2013/03/25/twins-notes-hicks-gibson-diamond-deduno-benson-and-612-brew/comment-page-1/#comment-35268 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:39:39 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=94206#comment-35268 If the Twins sent Hicks down for 4 weeks, it’s a clear signal that they’ve given up on the season. Bye-bye single ticket sales for 2013. As Twins owner, what would you rather have? Strong ticket sales in 2013 or one lower salary in 2019.

Instead of always thinking of ways to minimize cost, how about thinking about how to make the team more appealing to fans once in a while?

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By: Jeff H http://aarongleeman.com/2013/03/25/twins-notes-hicks-gibson-diamond-deduno-benson-and-612-brew/comment-page-1/#comment-35267 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:36:42 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=94206#comment-35267 I’ve heard Aaron make the “extra year of control” argument a dozen times on the podcast, and it is technically correct. But it’s completely superseded by the point that if gets to be October 1, 2018 and Aaron Hicks hasn’t already been extended on a deal that covered some of his arbitration years and keeps him a Twin for 2019 and beyond, then (a) He probably wasn’t very good (we had similar “control” discussions about Delmon in 2008, then couldn’t get a rid of him fast enough); or (b) We already failed to sign him, and he’d probably be flipped as a rental by July 31, 2018 anyway.

I just think there’s so many other variables it doesn’t make sense to isolate on this one for a scenario that’s pretty unlikely to matter in 2018. Also, while Gleeman and just about every other rationale person covering the Twins agrees 2013 will be another “lost” season, you can bet the Twins don’t want (and really can’t afford) another mid-60′s-win season. We know what Mastroianni is, but Hicks (could) be a stud. There’s no good baseball reason to overripen him when we have tons of outfielders in the system behind him if he fails.

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By: Stevie http://aarongleeman.com/2013/03/25/twins-notes-hicks-gibson-diamond-deduno-benson-and-612-brew/comment-page-1/#comment-35266 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:43:43 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=94206#comment-35266 Doesn’t it hold some value in 5 years at the negotiation table to be able to say to Hicks that this all could have been delayed had the Twins held him back for 4 weeks in 2013?…remember these front office people have relationships with players, it’s not always just simple math. If my boss delayed a bonus or promotion from me for 4 weeks so he could get a tax break or something, it would make me less likely to want to work there longer than I had too.

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By: Matt http://aarongleeman.com/2013/03/25/twins-notes-hicks-gibson-diamond-deduno-benson-and-612-brew/comment-page-1/#comment-35265 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 15:56:06 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=94206#comment-35265 Isn’t the minimum salary currently at around $500k? I am no Butera fan but if you’re convinced he needs to be a backup plan, $700k is not a big deal.

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By: neil http://aarongleeman.com/2013/03/25/twins-notes-hicks-gibson-diamond-deduno-benson-and-612-brew/comment-page-1/#comment-35264 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 15:52:12 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=94206#comment-35264 hey, look at Aaron with a fine lady on his arm!

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