Comments on: Ron Gardenhire, Joe Mauer, and the No. 2 spot http://aarongleeman.com/2013/04/04/ron-gardenhire-joe-mauer-and-the-no-2-spot/ Baseball news, insight and analysis from Aaron Gleeman Tue, 02 Sep 2014 01:20:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: Ted http://aarongleeman.com/2013/04/04/ron-gardenhire-joe-mauer-and-the-no-2-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-35467 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 00:42:19 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=95083#comment-35467 Seth: is this sarcasm? AG has written pretty much this same piece at least once a season for years.

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By: seth http://aarongleeman.com/2013/04/04/ron-gardenhire-joe-mauer-and-the-no-2-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-35466 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 00:00:49 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=95083#comment-35466 Enjoy your Twins coverage all the way from Hong Kong. But my thoughts on your two spot for Mauer blog are as follows: number crunching about Mauer in the 2 spot now seems obvious, but where were these numbers during all the years the Twins followed the conventional model to mixed results? I may be wrong but don’t recall reading anything on this particular point.

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By: seth http://aarongleeman.com/2013/04/04/ron-gardenhire-joe-mauer-and-the-no-2-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-35465 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 00:00:26 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=95083#comment-35465 Enjoy your Twins coverage all the way from Hong Kong. But my thoughts on your two spot for Mauer blog are as follows: number crunching about Mauer in the 2 spot now seems obvious, but where were these numbers during all the years the Twins followed the conventional model to mixed results? I may be wrong but don’t recall reading anything on this particulare point.

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By: AM. http://aarongleeman.com/2013/04/04/ron-gardenhire-joe-mauer-and-the-no-2-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-35460 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 20:10:46 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=95083#comment-35460 Skipping directly from AA to the majors, put into the lead-off spot, and “inheriting” the CF position from the likes of Puckett and Hunter…Hicks is now 0 for 11 with 2 walks and 7 Ks. This is a shocking, shocking development, given his amazing spring performance.

(Of course, those 13 PAs mean almost as much as his spring training at bats.)

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By: Ted http://aarongleeman.com/2013/04/04/ron-gardenhire-joe-mauer-and-the-no-2-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-35459 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 18:35:21 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=95083#comment-35459 If a guy has never played above AA, he is probably expecting an assignment to AAA to begin the season, no matter how good of a Spring he has. Baseball players aren’t stupid, they understand that spring numbers have limited value in assessing talent level. Organizations talk up the numbers when they want to use them as justification for otherwise questionable decisions. Fans parrot those assertions because they feel inclined to support their team.

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By: mariettamouthpiece http://aarongleeman.com/2013/04/04/ron-gardenhire-joe-mauer-and-the-no-2-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-35456 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 17:26:54 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=95083#comment-35456 No. 2 guy “needs to be able to take pitches a little bit”, “be able to protect the guy on base”, “be an on base percentage guy”, “get (the baserunners) over”, “shoot the ball the other way”, “basically, handle the bat” …

Hmmm … and just who is about the only “guy” in the Twins lineup that is almost exactly described by those references?

See? – Gardenhire didnt have to wait for the computers to spit anything out – he just had to read his own copy.

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By: GG http://aarongleeman.com/2013/04/04/ron-gardenhire-joe-mauer-and-the-no-2-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-35454 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:15:58 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=95083#comment-35454 The Hicks service time argument is silly to me. Sure it would be nice for him not to achieve Super two, but I don’t feel like its some kind of massive error.

Worst case scenario is Hicks is a free agent at age 29, and then you have to assume he is a star and out of the Twins price range. Its impossible to predict now whether or not the Twins can afford him 5 years down the road. Mauer’s deal runs out in 2018. They could also sign him to an extension and buy out his arbitration years like they did with Span.

Lastly, one thing that I think that gets glossed over by the SABR crowd is that they are still dealing with humans with emotions. What kind of message does it send to Hicks and others if they send him down after a Spring performance like that? That could hurt them in contract negotiations just as much as Super two. At some point you have to reward people for performance.

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By: AM. http://aarongleeman.com/2013/04/04/ron-gardenhire-joe-mauer-and-the-no-2-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-35453 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:11:56 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=95083#comment-35453 That clears it up, thank you. I guess I am used to this argument about players who aren’t ever going to be considered for a demotion. So, if Hicks is over his head, and gets sent down, there is a second path for him to have an extra year of Twins service time. I don’t think Aaron has addressed this before.

As for Gardy’s rhetorical question above: People say Joe Mauer should hit second or whatever, but do we really want “man on second base and Joe Mauer coming up,” and he’s shooting it over the other way?”

The answer is NO. We want him to get a base hit and drive him in, which he does more often that almost anyone in the league, every year.

Which reminds me–my prediction for the year: Mauer bats .400.

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By: Jack http://aarongleeman.com/2013/04/04/ron-gardenhire-joe-mauer-and-the-no-2-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-35452 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:41:41 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=95083#comment-35452 A player is eligible for salary arbitration when they have three years of Major League service, however accumulated, but with less than six years of Major League service.

“Super Two” players must have at least two but less than three years of Major League service if he has accumulated at least 86 days of service in the immediate preceding season and ranks in the top 22% in total service in the class of players with at least two years of service but less than three, however accumulated.

Players become a free agent with 6 or more years of Major League service. It doesn’t matter how the player gets it.

If a player is optioned for less than 20 days in a season the optional assignment does not count and the player is credited with Major League service during the period of optional assignment.

I hope this clears up the above misconceptions about Hicks and his service time.

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By: Ben http://aarongleeman.com/2013/04/04/ron-gardenhire-joe-mauer-and-the-no-2-spot/comment-page-1/#comment-35450 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:34:12 +0000 http://aarongleeman.com/?p=95083#comment-35450 Bets on when Hicks is sent down? He looks downright passive at the plate. Pitches down the heart of the strike zone yesterday from Sanchez, and he just took them. Against Villareal, just took called strikes, and then swung at something out of the zone. Is he expecting ML pitchers to make mistakes? It’s going to happen less than he expects, apparently. Small sample, obviously.

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