August 14, 2002
One man's opinion (Part 2: Pitchers)
For those of you who haven't checked it out yet, I suggest taking a look at my list of the "Top 20 Players of All-Time" that I posted earlier.
That list did not include pitchers, for reasons I explained in the prior entry.
Because of that and the positive email response I got to the position player list, I decided to make a "Top 20 Pitchers of All-Time" list.
Before I unveil it, a few notes:
#1) Just as I did with the hitters, the pitchers are judged on a combination of "Career" and "Peak."
#2) The most significant things I looked at were a) preventing runs, b) innings pitched and c) how their prevention of runs stacked up against their contemporaries.
That is my way of saying that Wins and Losses, while taken into account, were not very significant in my rankings.
The reason for this is simple: a pitcher cannot control how his team's offense performs (except prior to the DH and currently in the NL, but still...).
Pitcher X pitches 7 innings and allows 3 runs. His team scores him 8 runs and he gets the win.
Pitcher Z pitches 8 innings and allows 2 runs. His team only scores once and he gets the loss.
However, obviously Pitcher Z pitched better than Pitcher X. He went more innings and allowed fewer runs to score. But he gets the loss and Pitcher X gets the win.
See my point? Good.
#3) It is very tough to compare players from different eras, but it is especially tough to compare pitchers from different eras.
For one thing, the amount of runs scored during eras varies a lot:
In the 1938 American League, 5.37 runs were scored per game.
In the 1968 American League, 3.41 runs were scored per game.
In the 1998 American League, 5.00 runs were scored per game.
Also, the amount of innings that pitchers usually pitched varies tremendously too.
In the 1870s, 1880s and 1890s, pitchers routinely pitched 400, 500 and even 600+ innings in a season.
And for most of the 1900s (from about 1900-1980), pitching 300-350 innings in a season wasn't a big deal.
Recently, however, pitching 200 innings has become the bench mark for "workhorse" type of pitcher. No one has thrown 300 innings in a season in over 20 years.
#4) As I said with the hitters list, although I would like to rank Negro League players and I have absolutely no doubt that they deserve to appear on any "Top 20 players of all-time list," possibly several times, I just do not know enough about them to rank them accurately enough. Sorry.
#5) As you may have noticed with the hitters, the last stat I list in the player profile is "Average Per 162 Games." This is, of course, a lot easier to figure out for hitters. You just take the amount of games they played and divide by 162 and then divide that by their totals.
But, with pitchers that is almost impossible. So, what I did (once again with the help of Baseball-Reference.com) is to try to put each pitcher career into modern day terms. What I mean by that is listed each pitchers stats as if they averaged 34 starts per season, which is what most pitchers start currently.
For Roger Clemens and Greg Maddux it isn't going to change much, but for Cy Young and Bob Gibson, some things will look a lot different.
So, just keep in mind that all the "Average Per 162 Games" stats are showing what they would have averaged in about 34 starts per season.
#6) As always, I welcome comments on my list, but only if they are backed up by some sort of factual argument. Not just "Player A is way better than Player B, you moron!"
Okay, enough stalling! On to the list...
#1) Walter Perry Johnson
Years Played: 1907-1927 (21 seasons)
Games Pitched: 802 (666 Starts)
Career Stats:
Innings Pitched - 5,914.2
ERA - 2.17
Wins - 417
Losses - 279
Winning % - .599
Complete Games - 531
Shutouts - 110
Strike Outs - 3,509
Walks - 1,363
Hits - 4,913
HR Allowed - 97
Saves - 34
Adjusted ERA - 146
Average Per 162 Games: 274 IP - 2.17 ERA - 19 Wins - 12 Losses - 162 K - 63 BB - 227 Hits
#2) Robert Moses "Lefty" Grove
Years Played: 1925-1941 (17 seasons)
Games Pitched: 616 (457 Starts)
Career Stats:
Innings Pitched - 3,940.2
ERA - 3.06
Wins - 300
Losses - 141
Winning % - .680
Complete Games - 298
Shutouts - 35
Strike Outs - 2,266
Walks - 1,187
Hits - 3,849
HR Allowed - 162
Saves - 55
Adjusted ERA - 148
Average Per 162 Games: 250 IP - 3.06 ERA - 19 Wins - 8 Losses - 143 K - 75 BB - 243 Hits
#3) William "Roger" Clemens
Years Played: 1984-current (19+ seasons)
Games Pitched: 566 (565 starts)
Career Stats (through August 14th, 2002):
Innings Pitched - 4,017.2
ERA - 3.13
Wins - 290
Losses - 148
Winning % - .662
Complete Games - 116
Shutouts - 45
Strike Outs - 3,854
Walks - 1,304
Hits - 3,427
HR Allowed - 289
Saves - 0
Adjusted ERA - 145
Average Per 162 Games: 242 IP - 3.13 ERA - 19 Wins - 7 Losses - 232 K - 78 BB - 206 Hits
#4) Denton True "Cy" Young
Years Played: 1890-1911 (22 seasons)
Games Pitched: 906 (815 starts)
Career Stats:
Innings Pitched - 7,354.2
ERA - 2.63
Wins - 511
Losses - 316
Winning % - .618
Complete Games - 749
Shutouts - 76
Strike Outs - 2,803
Walks - 1,217
Hits - 7,092
HR Allowed - 138
Saves - 17
Adjusted ERA - 138
Average Per 162 Games: 291 IP - 2.63 ERA - 20 Wins - 12 Losses - 110 K - 48 BB - 280 Hits
#5) Grover Cleveland "Pete" Alexander
Years Played: 1911-1930 (20 seasons)
Games Pitched: 696 (599 starts)
Career Stats:
Innings Pitched - 5,190
ERA - 2.56
Wins - 373
Losses - 208
Winning % - .642
Complete Games - 437
Shutouts - 90
Strike Outs - 2,198
Walks - 951
Hits - 4,868
HR Allowed - 164
Saves - 32
Adjusted ERA - 135
Average Per 162 Games: 273 IP - 2.56 ERA - 19 Wins - 10 Losses - 115 K - 49 BB - 255 Hits
#6) Gregory Alan "Greg" Maddux
Years Played: 1986-current (17+ seasons)
Games Pitched: 530 (526 starts)
Career Stats (through August 14th, 2002):
Innings Pitched - 3,694.1
ERA - 2.83
Wins - 268
Losses - 150
Winning % - .641
Complete Games - 102
Shutouts - 33
Strike Outs - 2,610
Walks - 794
Hits - 3,337
HR Allowed - 203
Saves - 0
Adjusted ERA - 145
Average Per 162 Games: 240 IP - 2.83 ERA - 17 Wins - 9 Losses - 170 K - 51 BB - 216 Hits
#7) George Thomas "Tom" Seaver
Years Played: 1967-1986 (20 seasons)
Games Pitched: 656 (647 starts)
Career Stats:
Innings Pitched - 4,782.7
ERA - 2.86
Wins - 311
Losses - 205
Winning % - .603
Complete Games - 231
Shutouts - 61
Strike Outs - 3,640
Walks - 1,390
Hits - 3,971
HR Allowed - 380
Saves - 1
Adjusted ERA - 127
Average Per 162 Games: 250 IP - 2.86 ERA - 16 Wins - 10 Losses - 189 K - 72 BB - 207 Hits
#8) Christopher "Christy" Mathewson
Years Played: 1900-1916 (17 seasons)
Games Pitched: 635 (551 starts)
Career Stats:
Innings Pitched - 4,780.2
ERA - 2.13
Wins - 373
Losses - 188
Winning % - .665
Complete Games - 434
Shutouts - 79
Strike Outs - 2,502
Walks - 844
Hits - 4,218
HR Allowed - 91
Saves - 28
Adjusted ERA - 135
Average Per 162 Games: 274 IP - 2.13 ERA - 21 Wins - 10 Losses - 143 K - 48 BB - 241 Hits
#9) Robert "Bob" Gibson
Years Played: 1959-1975 (17 seasons)
Games Pitched: 528 (482 starts)
Career Stats:
Innings Pitched - 3,884.1
ERA - 2.91
Wins - 251
Losses - 174
Winning % - .591
Complete Games - 255
Shutouts - 56
Strike Outs - 3,117
Walks - 1,336
Hits - 3,279
HR Allowed - 257
Saves - 6
Adjusted ERA - 127
Average Per 162 Games: 262 IP - 2.91 ERA - 16 Wins - 11 Losses - 209 K - 89 BB - 220 Hits
#10) Pedro Jaime Martinez
Years Played: 1992-current (11+ seasons)
Games Pitched: 320 (253 starts)
Career Stats:
Innings Pitched - 1,853
ERA - 2.62
Wins - 148
Losses - 61
Winning % - .708
Complete Games - 37
Shutouts - 15
Strike Outs - 2,177
Walks - 498
Hits - 1,371
HR Allowed - 138
Saves - 3
Adjusted ERA - 170
Average Per 162 Games: 220 IP - 2.62 ERA - 18 Wins - 7 Losses - 258 K - 59 BB - 162 Hits
#11) Warren Edward Spahn
Years Played: 1942, 1946-1965 (21 seasons)
Games Pitched: 750 (665 starts)
Career Stats:
Innings Pitched - 5,244
ERA - 3.09
Wins - 363
Losses - 245
Winning % - .597
Complete Games - 382
Shutouts - 63
Strike Outs - 2,583
Walks - 1,434
Hits - 4,830
HR Allowed - 434
Saves - 29
Adjusted ERA - 118
Average Per 162 Games: 252 IP - 3.09 ERA - 17 Wins - 11 Losses - 124 K - 68 BB - 232 Hits
#12) Sanford "Sandy" Koufax
Years Played: 1955-1966 (12 seasons)
Games Pitched: 397 (314 starts)
Career Stats:
Innings Pitched - 2,324.1
ERA - 2.76
Wins - 165
Losses - 87
Winning % - .655
Complete Games - 137
Shutouts - 40
Strike Outs - 2,396
Walks - 817
Hits - 1,754
HR Allowed - 204
Saves - 9
Adjusted ERA - 131
Average Per 162 Games: 222 IP - 2.76 ERA - 15 Wins - 8 Losses - 229 K - 78 BB - 167 Hits
#13) Charles Augustus "Kid" Nichols
Years Played: 1890-1901, 1904-1906 (15 seasons)
Games Pitched: 620 (561 starts)
Career Stats:
Innings Pitched - 5,056.1
ERA - 2.95
Wins - 361
Losses - 208
Winning % - .634
Complete Games - 531
Shutouts - 48
Strike Outs - 1,868
Walks - 1,268
Hits - 4,912
HR Allowed - 156
Saves - 17
Adjusted ERA - 139
Average Per 162 Games: 291 IP - 2.95 ERA - 20 Wins - 11 Losses - 107 K - 73 BB - 282 Hits
#14) Randall David "Randy" Johnson
Years Played: 1988-current (15+ seasons)
Games Pitched: 427 (417 starts)
Career Stats (through August 14th, 2002):
Innings Pitched - 2,938
ERA - 3.10
Wins - 217
Losses - 105
Winning % - .674
Complete Games - 83
Shutouts - 32
Strike Outs - 3,652
Walks - 1,214
Hits - 2,264
HR Allowed - 262
Saves - 2
Adjusted ERA - 143
Average Per 162 Games: 237 IP - 3.10 ERA - 18 Wins - 8 Losses - 292 K - 97 BB - 181 Hits
#15) James Alvin "Jim" Palmer
Years Played: 1965-1967, 1969-1984 (19 seasons)
Games Pitched: 558 (521 starts)
Career Stats:
Innings Pitched - 3,948
ERA - 2.86
Wins - 268
Losses - 152
Winning % - .638
Complete Games - 211
Shutouts - 53
Strike Outs - 2,212
Walks - 1,311
Hits - 3,349
HR Allowed - 303
Saves - 4
Adjusted ERA - 125
Average Per 162 Games: 249 IP - 2.86 ERA - 16 Wins - 9 Losses - 139 K - 82 BB - 211 Hits
#16) Carl Owen Hubbell
Years Played: 1928-1943 (16 seasons)
Games Pitched: 535 (431 starts)
Career Stats:
Innings Pitched - 3,590.1
ERA - 2.98
Wins - 253
Losses - 154
Winning % - .622
Complete Games - 260
Shutouts - 36
Strike Outs - 1,677
Walks - 725
Hits - 3,461
HR Allowed - 227
Saves - 33
Adjusted ERA - 130
Average Per 162 Games: 253 IP - 2.98 ERA - 17 Wins - 10 Losses - 118 K - 51 BB - 243 Hits
#17) Robert William Andrew "Bob" Feller
Years Played: 1936-1941, 1945-1956 (18 seasons)
Games Pitched: 570 (484 starts)
Career Stats:
Innings Pitched - 3,827
ERA - 3.25
Wins - 266
Losses - 162
Winning % - .621
Complete Games - 279
Shutouts - 44
Strike Outs - 2,581
Walks - 1,764
Hits - 3,271
HR Allowed - 224
Saves - 21
Adjusted ERA - 122
Average Per 162 Games: 247 IP - 3.25 ERA - 17 Wins - 10 Losses - 166 K - 113 BB - 211 Hits
#18) Edward Charles "Whitey" Ford
Years Played: 1950, 1953-1967 (16 seasons)
Games Pitched: 498 (438 starts)
Career Stats:
Innings Pitched - 3,170.1
ERA - 2.75
Wins - 236
Losses - 108
Winning % - .690
Complete Games - 156
Shutouts - 45
Strike Outs - 1,956
Walks - 1,086
Hits - 2,766
HR Allowed - 228
Saves - 10
Adjusted ERA - 132
Average Per 162 Games: 230 IP - 2.75 ERA - 17 Wins - 7 Losses - 142 K - 78 BB - 200 Hits
#19) Steven Norman "Steve" Carlton
Years Played: 1965-1988 (24 seasons)
Games Pitched: 741 (709 starts)
Career Stats:
Innings Pitched - 5,217.1
ERA - 3.22
Wins - 329
Losses - 244
Winning % - .574
Complete Games - 254
Shutouts - 55
Strike Outs - 4,136
Walks - 1,833
Hits - 4,672
HR Allowed - 414
Saves - 2
Adjusted ERA - 115
Average Per 162 Games: 245 IP - 3.22 ERA - 15 Wins - 11 Losses - 193 K - 85 BB - 219 Hits
#20) Rik Aalbert "Bert" Blyleven
Years Played: 1970-1992 (22 seasons)
Games Pitched: 692 (685 starts)
Career Stats:
Innings Pitched - 4,970
ERA - 3.31
Wins - 287
Losses - 250
Winning % - .534
Complete Games - 242
Shutouts - 60
Strike Outs - 3,701
Walks - 1,322
Hits - 4,632
HR Allowed - 118
Saves - 0
Adjusted ERA - 118
Average Per 162 Games: 245 IP - 3.31 ERA - 14 Wins - 12 Losses - 182 K - 65 BB - 228 Hits
Received Serious Consideration (in no particular order): Robin Roberts - Juan Marichal - Eddie Plank - Dazzy Vance - Dizzy Dean - Jim Bunning - Phil Niekro - Fergie Jenkins - John Clarkson - Tim Keefe - Ed Walsh - Hal Newhouser - Gaylord Perry - Mordecai Brown - Amos Rusie - Nolan Ryan - Hoyt Wilhelm - Dennis Eckersley - Don Drysdale - Joe Wood
If there are enough email questions and comments, I will probably do another "notes" style entry like I did with the position player list.
I am sure there are a couple of choices that people might want to debate...