November 21, 2011
Twins Notes: Carroll’s contract, Kubel’s compensation, and minor moves
• Jamey Carroll's deal was initially reported as two years and $7 million, but the actual details are slightly different. Carroll will get $2.75 million in 2012 and $3.75 million in 2013, and there's also a $2 million team option or $250,000 buyout for 2014 that becomes a player option with no buyout if he tops 400 plate appearances in 2013. Most likely it'll wind up being a two-year, $6.75 million deal, but it could become a three-year, $8.5 million contract.
Obviously committing multiple seasons to a 38-year-old middle infielder isn't ideal, but Carroll's deal seemed like a fair one to me at the time and looks even better now compared to a pair of middle infielder signings that followed. Mark Ellis got two years and $8.75 million to basically replace Carroll on the Dodgers. They're similar players, but Ellis hasn't played shortstop since 2005 and is coming off a career-worst season that saw him hit just .248/.288/.346 at age 34.
Clint Barmes got two years and $11 million from the Pirates, who'll use him as their everyday shortstop. All things being equal Barmes might be a better choice than Carroll for the next two seasons because he's five years younger and an elite defender with 15-homer power, but the money isn't close to equal and Barmes has also hit just .230/.275/.360 away from Colorado. Even with Coors Field included his .302 on-base percentage is 54 points below Carroll's mark.
• Reported changes in the soon-to-be-signed collective bargaining agreement would eliminate compensation for Type B free agents, meaning the Twins would receive nothing if Jason Kubel signs elsewhere. Getting rid of the Type B free agent designation and lessening the number of Type A free agents qualified for compensation seems like bad news for the Twins long term, as they lose more free agents than they sign and rely heavily on the extra draft picks.
Not trading Kubel was a questionable decision when the Twins assumed they'd be receiving a supplemental first-round pick if he left as a free agent, but if that compensation for Kubel and other Type B players is eliminated they'll obviously regret the non-move. Instead of cashing him in for a decent prospect or two they'd get nothing, although certainly you can't blame the Twins for not being able to predict the future of collective bargaining changes.
• Phil Dumatrait re-signed with the Twins on a minor-league deal after being trimmed off the 40-man roster. Dumatrait's track record shows that even his limited success involved pitching way over his head, but as Triple-A depth he's fine. Along with Dumatrait (and Brian Dinkelman and Jared Burton, who signed last week) the Twins also inked minor-league deals with Jason Bulger, Brendan Wise, Matt Carson, Wilkin Ramirez, Samuel Deduno, and Luis Perdomo.
When the Angels acquired Bulger from the Diamondbacks for Alberto Callaspo in 2006 he was a potential late-inning reliever, but injuries and control problems have held him back and now he's 32 years old with just 133 career innings in the majors. On the other hand he has a 4.33 ERA and 138 strikeouts in those 133 innings and throws in the low-90s with a good curveball, so the right-hander could be a midseason bullpen option.
Perdomo throws hard and spent 2009 in the Padres' bullpen with a 4.80 ERA and 55/34 K/BB ratio in 60 innings, but the 27-year-old righty has been mediocre at Triple-A since then and mostly just adds to the sudden collection of relievers with big velocity and little else. Wise and Deduno don't fit that mold, topping out in the low-90s. Wise's pretty ERA at Triple-A hides poor secondary numbers and Deduno is a ground-ball guy who doesn't miss bats or throw strikes.
Carson and Ramirez are both journeyman outfielders with brief stints in the majors who'll add some speed and right-handed pop to Rochester's lineup. Carson has hit .280/.343/.515 in 378 games at Triple-A, including .279/.337/.533 with 24 homers and 11 steals in 112 games this year at age 29. Ramirez is 27 years old and has hit .247/.308/.431 in 270 games at Triple-A, including .267/.307/.458 with 11 homers and 19 steals in 81 games this season.
• Bulger, Burton, Dumatrait, Dinkelman, and Carson are examples of the type of guys available on minor-league deals every offseason, which is why it's so confusing that the Twins decided to give 40-man roster spots to similarly mediocre talent like Matt Maloney and Jeff Gray. They can always drop Maloney and Gray from the 40-man roster, of course, but in the meantime the deadline to add prospects newly eligible for the Rule 5 draft came and went.
Oswaldo Arcia, Carlos Gutierrez, and Tyler Robertson were the three additions, protecting them from being selected in next month's draft, but the Twins also left decent prospects Angel Morales, Manuel Soliman, and Tom Stuifbergen unprotected and changed David Bromberg from protected to unprotected by outrighting him off the 40-man roster. Odds are that none of those four will be Rule 5 picks, but it certainly wouldn't be shocking if the Twins lost someone.
Bromberg was named Twins minor league pitcher of the year in 2009, but saw his stock drop with the jump to Double-A and Triple-A in 2010 and missed most of this year after a line drive broke his forearm in May. He ranked No. 13 on my list of the Twins' best prospects coming into this season and will probably drop into the 20-30 range for 2012, which is also where Morales, Stuifbergen, and Soliman will likely end up if they remain in the organization.
• Delmon Young's postseason power surge caused some people to overreact about the Twins dumping him in mid-August, but now Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com writes that the Tigers are trying to deal him because they're "concerned about his defense." They apparently offered Young to the Braves for Martin Prado, but were turned down. And if the Tigers keep Young for 2012 they'll likely be paying him at least $7 million in his final season before free agency.
Odds are that none of those four will be Rule 5 picks, but it certainly wouldn’t be shocking if the Twins lost someone.
A player is only “lost” if the drafting team keeps them on the 25 man roster for a full season. Even if one of the referenced players is drafted, he would likely be back in the Twins organization by the end of spring training or a trade will be worked out.
The Twins seem to realize that given the limited number of players they added to the 40 man roster.
Comment by The Twins — November 20, 2011 @ 11:17 pm
Quibbling and nit-picking around the fringes of the roster. The future–short-and long-term–does not hinge on whether or not Maloney, Gray, Morales, Bromberg, Stuifbergen, et.al. are or are not on the 40-man roster.
And while I have the pulpit (and with apologies if this constitutes a thread hijack), does anyone else sense that Michael Cuddyer’s attractiveness and value this offseason might have been substantially overstated? The one team most often mentioned as his primary suitor–the Phillies–just acquired a similar player in Ty Wiggenton. I’m betting he ends up signing a two-year, $16-million deal–with the Twins.
Comment by David — November 21, 2011 @ 6:25 am
A 40 man roster is not very big. For a team like the Twins to do well in this league long-term, they need to be very careful with each spot. Angel Morales could wind up being a stud. If he does and it’s on another team, we will be talking about this move again. I don’t think Maloney or Gray will be missed much by any other club.
Of course Cuddyer is overrated, hasn’t that horse been beaten to death?
Comment by Spoofbonser — November 21, 2011 @ 7:40 am
If you don’t want Aaron to write about the fringes of the roster, what the heck should he write about these days? The changes in the last week or so (not including the two signings he’s already written about) were about the changes to the 40 man….so that’s what he’s writing about. It’s not like there is a ton of Twins’ news right now. Personally, I’ve found this site great lately, with the coverage of the cheap options available to the Twins.
As for the Cuddy question, great question…..he might be back on this roster.
Comment by mike wants wins — November 21, 2011 @ 8:21 am
Not saying I didn’t want Aaron to write about it–I always enjoy what Aaron writes about, whatever the subject. I’m simply saying that, in the near or long term, we shouldn’t get too worked up about these moves.
Just because Cuddyer is overrated doesn’t mean some club wouldn’t grossly overpay him. My point is that that’s not as likely to happen as we all presumed a few weeks back.
Morales has had ample opportunity to demonstrate that he has potential to be consistently more than run of the mill, and has not done so. (I underscore the word “consistently.” He’s shown flashes, but then, so has Trevor Plouffe.)
Comment by David — November 21, 2011 @ 9:28 am
Boston sports radio has mentioned Cuddyer a few times, but I don’t get the sense he’s a priority for the Rsox.
Comment by Rob — November 21, 2011 @ 10:13 am
Boston has an all lefty OF and could use a RH bat, so Cuddyer is a fit. But on top of hiring a manager, they need to figure out whether they’re resigning Ortiz and how they’re replacing Papelbon. If they go cheap in the pen and at DH, then more $ (and Cuddyer) could be an option in RF. But I agree- that’s a lesser priority right now for them.
I don’t think Cuddy resigns here for 2/$16. There are teams, including the Sox, who would probably give him more if he were willing to take just a 2-year deal. Maybe 2/$20 gets it done for Minny, which would be ok in my book. I still think it likely that someone offers him a 3rd year, though…
Comment by BR — November 21, 2011 @ 10:54 am
You also have to look at the Giants as they need some offense badly and just gave up Sanchez for Melky Cabrera of all people.
Comment by mdmd — November 21, 2011 @ 2:48 pm
Thanks for the memories Joe. I hope you get a championship down in Texas. Nothing but the best, and again, thank you for 7 great years of the best closer this side of Mariano Rivera.
Comment by Andrew — November 21, 2011 @ 8:40 pm
Good question on Cuddyer, David. Perhaps Cuddyer is more fairly rated than we thought. I’d accept the notion that at 2/16, Cuddyer would be fairly rated. But I still hope he goes elsewhere.
Comment by birdofprey — November 22, 2011 @ 9:12 am
@David sometimes moves that seem small or inconsequential have huge effects. (see: Twins acquire Santana in rule V draft)
Comment by Elvus — November 23, 2011 @ 11:16 am